On a portal of news agency Political archives there has passed Online-conference with participation of the intellectual known in Crimea, the expert, political scientist Andrey Nikiforov. We bring to your attention some question and the answers representing, in our opinion, interest and for users of a resource www.milli-firka.org
Russian, Sevastopol:
Aren’t You the latent Islamite? Your beard seems to me suspicious. And if to colour it in black it is even more.
Nikiforov Andrey Rostislavovich:
You are so suspicious! Could not specify that from Sevastopol it is so clearly (laughs). Perhaps, the unique city where Nikolay’s I Charter is still operates, regulating to whom on the person to carry what vegetation. When it was everywhere (except Sevastopol) cancelled, Russian people, from noblemen to everyones, have got beards. So my beard — a symbol of that liberalism, freedom-loving about which wrote Valery from Yalta. By the way, seemingly, you are not in a course of traditional, typical shape of the Russian person spoilt with Peter I and partially (!!!) restored only at Alexanders and Nickolais? Then you — not absolutely Russian though from Sevastopol — it is exact…
Мustafa, Ajserez:
Hello, could you tell please, what do you think of new political movement in Crimean Tatar environment — «Milli Firka»? Whether really this party is opposition for so-called Medzhlis?
Nikiforov Andrey Rostislavovich:
I knew one Mustafu from Ajserez (laughs). As far as I know, «Milli Firka» is conceived and is under construction as opposition, alternative of Medzhlis. We will look that from this it will turn out. Though you will not name this project as a»new» one: it exists for some years, to it yet cant be on the same level with Medzhlis. It is clear: this so to say «representative body», despite the illegality, is in contact both to the state Ukraine, and to the international structures. By the way, there are for me good acquaintances in both these structures — both in Medzhlis, and in «Milli-Firka». I consider that normal people are both there, and there. However, — as well as, to put it mildly, not absolutely normal. However, eventually, this your internal Crimean Tatar business — to be defined with those who will represent you in the politician and to the authorities. And I will wish you — not to be mistaken and not to repent then of the made choice.
Ekaterina, Simferopol:
Could you tell, what parties can pass in the Crimean parliament in 2011? Whether to change the new Crimean power a situation in all spheres of Crimea?
Nikiforov Andrey Rostislavovich:
Now all quickly enough varies. Not absolutely clearly, on what selective model and even when these elections will take place. But all the same I will dare to assume that in the future parliament of Crimea the following political forces, capable to break a three-percent barrier will be presented.
Party of Regions, «Russian unity», KPU, party «Union« — on the one hand (voting in January-February for Yanukovych).
Medzlis in the union with Ruh, and it is possible — with someone else — with another. These are those who voted for Timoshenko though itself BYT can not pass in new structure of the Crimean parliament (so sees from today).
Voters of Timoshenko can remove to any conditional «Jatsenjuk-Tigipko». I at all mean these concrete politicians, and that part of the Crimean voters who voted for them in the first tour of presidential election. It — some kind of «third party», is more exact — the Crimean Center. There is, there was a voter which now to vote especially there is nobody. If it will be not snatched away in the small portions by numerous hunters behind voices, the political force representing this fragment of the Crimean population, can quite appear in local parliament.
The situation will by all means change, and, most likely, not how politicians intend to do it. We will hope that the new power will be more Crimean. Though — to hope it is not enough; each of us for this purpose can and should make something personally. You — should select and then — to be able to demand from politicians promised by them. I — will bring up them with my methods.
Neznaika, Simferopol:
However, that Europe accompanies Medzhlis in creation on peninsula of the ethnic state of the Crimean Tatars as it is interested in control reception over strategically important peninsula?
Nikiforov Andrey Rostislavovich:
Not the truth. More precisely — not all truth, not absolutely the truth. Europe as you name it, wants one — rest. Basically, it is ready even to pay. Money all the same not its, but taken from the world market. And so, border of this Europe from us now — through the sea, as Romania and Bulgaria — too Europe. Basically, Europe did not need also the ethnic state of Albanians in Kosovo. Not it is necessary for Europe. And Medzhlis will help: kind words, money (taken from the world market) as — whether a little that can be expected from people, whose ancestors have reached Adriatic Sea, and then — some centuries kept in suspense all Eastern Europe? Especially, leaders of Medzhlis so eloquently tell about a distress of the people, undergone to reprisals. And after all it is valid so. But Muslim in immediate proximity from the European border to Europe it is not necessary.
The inhabitant of Odessa, Odessa:
How do you consider, whether it is necessary to Yanukovych to recognise independence of Abkhazia and Ossetia? How will such recognition be reflected in the Ukrainian-Russian relations?
Nikiforov Andrey Rostislavovich:
If Yanukovych recognised Abkhazia and South Ossetia as he has made it still, being the leader of the party of regions, the Ukrainian-Russian relations definitively became Russian-Ukrainian: Ukraine rigidly would cut itself from the West, and to it would remain nothing as soon as to be integrated from the Russian Federation, and on the conditions which are put forward by the Russian Federation. Therefore even Lukashenko with such recognition does not hurry up. I think, and Yanukovych will try to leave to himself a place for geopolitical maneuver. So — hardly. Unless affairs at Ukraine are absolutely bad. So, what well it in a bath, this state sovereignty. To Venezuela and Nicaragua in this question is easier: they are far from the Russian Federation and Georgia. Ukraine should be much more circumspect. However, for some reason it seems to me that the Russian Federation not strongly and this Ukrainian recognition is necessary. And in general — still someone’s. Northern Cyprus, for example, only Turkey recognises, and it is enough of it. For the same Kosovo there would be quite enough recognition of the USA. At least — while. So I do not think that someone will «bend» our president in this party.
Sergey Nikolaevich, Simferopol:
Whether autonomy existence civil consciousness of inhabitants of Crimea was generated in time?
Nikiforov Andrey Rostislavovich:
No, not the truth. The civil consciousness of inhabitants of Crimea was generated long before autonomy restoration. If was not so, the autonomy would not be restored, or would be in the mid-nineties strangled in parent embraces «naive mother». The republican consciousness takes place to be, besides — develops. The data of sociology received both the Crimean experts, and workers of Center Razumkov testify to it — establishments which with a connivance to «the Crimean separatism» precisely you will not reproach. By the way, Kiev has wisely arrived that in due time was kept from a complete liquidation of our republic. Otherwise would work effect of «forbidden fruit». And so — it is possible to discredit an autonomy I specify in defects and local authorities failures (as if Kiev always at height). But, though the authorities at us too not so favour, the idea of the special status of Crimea lives and, I hope, wins.
Jury, Evpatoria:
Very often, so-called «the Prorussian organisations» shout about reunion of Crimea and Russia. How you consider, whether it is necessary to Crimea to join Russia? What will it give to us?
Nikiforov Andrey Rostislavovich:
I consider that Russia needs to be defended there, where do you live. The Russian Federation — not all Russia and not absolutely that Russia in which to us it would be necessary to be indispensable. That Russia would give for a long time us chance to return in it. And not only to us, Crimeans. And this is, of course, better, than Yeltsin. But… In a word, let’s defend Russia in Crimea. To protect the inalienable law to be Russian. And reunion of Russia together with its full recover we thereby will approach. And those who urge to solve all and at once at one stroke, most likely, people not the sincere. Therefore as even in Russian national fairy tales besides «the pike command» for success of the begun business and personal efforts were required. Re-read and be convinced.
Concerning a question, what will it give us, I consider that no reunion and will exist until there will be questions of such plan. If we — one people, matter is not that give us our unity. As it for us valuably in itself. It — as the relation to the children, to the mother: we after all do not measure, if, of course, we are normal people, how much, that and for what money we have made for the most close and native people? Coming to the rescue of them, we during this moment do not calculate what it will give to us, and simply we go to the aid. And here. More precisely — WHEN so will be here again, Russia will recover and will reunite.
Alexey, Donetsk:
The Crimean political scientist Sergey Kiselyov, making comments on a situation to one of the Crimean agencies, has declared that prolongation of term of basing of BSF the Russian Federation in Crimea radically will change a political situation in Ukraine. However the desire of nationalist forces be kept in power can to lead to serious disorders, up to the civil conflict. Whether you agree with opinion of the colleague?
Nikiforov Andrey Rostislavovich:
Very long ago did not communicate with my old friend Kiselyov. Therefore I can not explain, in what of the reason of such gloomy mood of Sergey Nikolaevicha. However, accidents to predict always it is more favourable. Here you, for example, have paid attention. And tell Kiselyov that all will be ОК — most likely would not remember neither the forecast, nor the one who has made it. Nevertheless. Do not see I cardinal change of a situation in Ukraine because of prolongation of term of basing of fleet! There are no at me bases for forecasting of serious disorders, especially — the civil conflict! Well, the high-ranking geeks were left by eggs, have lighted a smoke candle — same not the civil conflict?! Citizens of Ukraine on a sweet couple from the Maidan, and on fleet, to tell the truth — too spat. Not those cares. Here already and for a long time nothing the writing writer Javorivsky justifies supposedly all in fields, and here on autumn… It is interesting that it will start singing in the autumn. Therefore concern cautiously catastrophic forecasts: Us like to scare to draw to itself attention, and even to earn on our fear. Here, say, other Crimean political scientist half a year «predicted» disintegration of Ukraine by the end of the year back. Interestingly, now it will venture to recollect this «forecast»? And in half a year? A word «forecast» specially I quote, as the present forecast is constructed on certain calculations, the material analysis, proofs. Here them is from such «predictors» demand, if receive — analyse. And when so — bad shot supposedly «so it seems to me, at me such sensation…». Yes, can, he has eaten yesterday something stale or on a foot has dropped something heavy?
The passer-by, Kiev:
After signing of «the Kharkov contract» on prolongation of term of stay of the Black Sea fleet in Crimea for 25 years, Dmitry Medvedev, the President of the Russian Federation has given the commission to develop to the Ministry of Defence the plan for development of Sevastopol and Crimea as a whole. Whether it means, that the Crimean peninsula will socially develop exclusively on a military harmony, and Russian?
Nikiforov Andrey Rostislavovich:
I believe, you are not exact in formulations a little. The Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation can develop only those objects which are in its conducting. In Crimea it is the objects located in territory rented at Ukraine. They are based not only in Sevastopol, but also in a number of other points of Crimea. So speech could go only about it. But even in such truncated kind it — is far not only «exclusively military harmony». The Same Ensemble of the Black Sea fleet, Sea library, etc. — too a fleet infrastructure. In a word, listen to these which were «from the Maidan less. What eggs rush and to receive for it on a muzzle do not love. A sting at them, seemingly, have pulled out, but to hiss they from it have not ceased. It is insulting that about Crimea so normal people« on continent »are willingly ready to believe any delirium. But we precisely know that Crimea and Sevastopol and after Kharkov remained near Ukraine. Whatever feelings it called at Crimeans…
Svetlana, Dnepropetrovsk:
Whether there is in Crimea a political force capable to consolidate Crimeans in «a uniform fist». Slogans and ideas full, and I pound it is not enough.
Nikiforov Andrey Rostislavovich:
I here again will try to reformat a question: and whether there is a present requirement at Crimeans to be consolidated in «a uniform fist»? Simply when people really want something (without lying on a sofa, clear business), appear both corresponding leaders, and corresponding political forces. And if on all country, not only in Crimea, the most active part of citizens, so to say — leaders of public opinion, — wishing each other the most bad, speak: «That you lived for one salary!», it is possible to talk about what «fist»? And what, as a whole across Ukraine such political force which would show an example of the fair policy focused on people is not necessary to us?
Nevertheless, not all so is bad. In Crimea movement «Russian unity» in which are tightened both veterans of the Crimean policy, and new perspective leaders gains in strength. We will look that from this leaves. The hope, as it is known, dies last.
Alexander, Simferopol:
How Sevastopols (not ordinary, but considering «elite») concern Simferopol? As, coming even for one day to Sevastopol, the relation to you as to the traitor.
Nikiforov Andrey Rostislavovich:
I agree. Sevastopols have such point — a certain snobbery (if you about it). But at those now for aplomb which-what powerful bases are, and here at inhabitants of Sevastopol… You know, it because the city is traditionally isolated from all other world.And when entrance there was under admissions, and now, when Sevastopol — original Ukrainian deadlock. And — the most deadlock deadlock as the others have an exit for borders of Ukraine, and beyond Sevastopol the earths are not present. It and a consequence of its special administrative-territorial status. Almost same, as at Kiev. It flatters, though actually from townspeople of Ukraine only Sevastopol inhabitans do not select the power, and receive it directly from the president. About Sevastopol super-puper-patriotism, look at results of the same referendum about the Ukrainian independence of December, 1st, 1991. Yes Sevastopol inhabitans have given for the Ukrainian independence much less, than in any Ukrainian area — only 57 percent. But in the rest to Crimea the percent was even more low — 54. And it — in spite of the fact that in Sevastopol then (as well as now) few the Crimean Tatars, at whome, for the clear reasons, the relation to the USSR, the Ukrainian independence, etc. Cardinally differs from dominating in Crimea. So the moral right to that someone from Crimeans to accuse Sevastopol infabitans of «treachery» is not present.
Now Sevastopol has even more stood apart from other Crimea, than it was in its «closeness». Earlier Sevastopol inhabitans though studied in the Crimean HIGH SCHOOLS, and now they have — the. Communications between young men during training are not fastened so more often, as earlier, and after all it — on all life. It is all — not simply Problem of reunion of Crimea — one of sharpest of what to us should be solved in the near future. That is why to us it is the extremely important, that Sevastopol inhabitans, along with the deserved pride that they live in such remarkable city, felt Crimeans.
Vladimir, Saki:
In Crimea it is a lot of attention, especially during elections, is given to Russian problem, but, finally, dares nothing. Eventually, this problem will be solved, or on it and will speculate further?
Nikiforov Andrey Rostislavovich:
What for to solve a problem on which it is possible so comfortably to speculate? On the one hand, and the problem any is not present:« Russian-speaking »citizens of Ukraine without the translator understand«Ukrainians»and on the contrary. Some details escape, but it — when instead of a standard Ukrainian language, its zoned variant or the American (emigrant) version is used. In both cases in an Ukrainian language becomes more half, and it already complicates its perception for Russian consciousness. It would Seem, there is nothing easier how to legalise a real-life state of affairs — bilinguality. But here a trouble: if Russian becomes a state language (not to the SECOND state, and ONE OF TWO), the Ukrainian national idea will suffer irreplaceable loss. I.e., to people, and than the government so will be easier, more comfortable, and here to the Ukrainian national idea — is not present. After all it is initially ground as ANTIRUSSIAN. To That a recognition behind Russian of any status — for it death similarly. And in the world there is no order for Russia-2 which can become «Russian-speaking» Ukraine. The same Americans — conjure literally to adhere to a principle of unique and unique Ukrainian language. And to them Ukraine were twice… Germans: in days of occupation of the Ukrainian territory 1918 and 1941-44 the Hetman Skoropadsky not from a good life has been compelled to translate all office-work to an Ukrainian language, culture and education. It was an indispensable condition on which his mode got support of the German occupational authorities.
For us Russian upholding — that last bastion in case of which falling we will lose the nationality and cultural identity, we will turn in a biomass. They still have enough Sculptors-leptsikov.
Certainly, on a theme of Russian, many members like to make a PR. But here, how to be told — do not yawn, the voter! Here have chosen Crimeans Yanukovych the president (and their contribution to his victory in weight). After all not because considered as his ideal head of the state that is why that at all riches of a choice it saw smaller of harms. And here, former stupid, impudent and illegal. Let we have won fight, instead of war. But after all so: fight behind fight, a victory behind a victory — it is possible to win war also…
Nikolay, Bakhchisarai:
Tell, what do you think of idea of Medzhlis to create in Crimea a Crimean Tatar autonomy? On such plan how much is real?
Nikiforov Andrey Rostislavovich:
It is convinced that at Medzhlis, in its real strategy, such plan is absent. The slogan Crimean Tatar statehood is a frightener, a false target. Actually leaders of Medzhlis successfully enough carry out absolutely other project: the project of privatisation by Medzhlis of the Crimean Tatar people. Promoted workers of Medzhlis represent the Crimean Tatars in republican and nation-wide authorities, with Medzhlis, in exchange for voices of the Crimean Tatars, conduct the auctions concerning advancement of its leaders in the Supreme Rada of Ukraine. Меdzhlis closes on itself the control over social policy under the relation of the Crimean Tatars, attempts to construct isolated from allcrimeans and allukrainian Crimean Tatar economic system are undertaken under the aegis of Medzhlis. There were even offers to tax all Crimean Tatars which would be raised by Medzhlis. Here it is all not that that really. It is valid. Under this project from Medzhlis erect the personal well-being for the people bill which owners they have proclaimed themselves. And that on this «model» has not followed «claims» from outside the Crimean or Ukrainian authorities, yes the same world community, the smoke screen like that which was filled recently with Mustafa Dzhemilev in Bruxelles is used. As eyewitnesses speak, there to it listened to one and a half person, but then made comments on all Ukrainian and Crimean mass-media. The prospect of Crimean tatar statehood too goes to exchange: «do not touch us, differently we the national state declare». So outright it is not told, but also it is enough hints: who understands that to what — will understand.
Andrey Anatolevich, Simferopol:
Hello, tell, how the autonomy status influences changes in ethnic and cultural consciousness of Crimeans?
Nikiforov Andrey Rostislavovich:
I would turn a question. The ethnic and cultural consciousness of Crimeans has found the realisation in a reconstruction of the Crimean autonomy. This consciousness for today it has appeared enough that we have achieved here such, substantially — declarative — the status. But the consciousness Crimeans evolves, to it is already close in narrow frameworks of the present status. In them cosy feel only local political elite which it is comfortable in the conditions of the truncated autonomy as level of its (elite) of responsibility is truncated also. At any new «step» of development of the Crimean autonomy, its status will be inevitably raised, powers — are expanded. Crimeans will consult with it. And if the present political elite, the worse for it does not consult: we will grow up another.
Ekaterina, Kiev:
What means: to be Crimeans, to feel as Crimeans?
Nikiforov Andrey Rostislavovich:
To be Crimean it means to lead with Crimea one life. It is very uneasy, I will tell to you, the life as it consists not only from three summer months and proceeds not so exclusively along sea coast. It is remembered, we about 30 years ago went on harvesting together with working women of one state farm of Nizhnegorsky area. Then has regretted that I do not own neither an art photo, nor skill (at least craft) the painter. Here these exposed to the wind persons covered with completely not beach Crimean sunburn, these knotty fingers of hands is and there is a shape typical.
Recently it was necessary to be passed deep into Belogorsky area. Impression: nuclear war has passed, people were lost or have left in less infected places, and ruins of the structures, rusting remains of technics stand monuments of the lost Civilization. Actually, the life there is. She huddles on court yard of not populous villages and settlements where on the farmsteads people manage practically without water (from the sky it in Crimea not very much drips), on the soil more similar to the crushed stone, something there to grow up… And thus business to the Black Sea fleet, Russian, to the autonomy status is it. Here it that is for me — to be Crimean.
Crimean feels constant responsibility for the native earth: for its unique, but very vulnerable, fragile shape, yes a heritage of last cultures and civilisations which are stored by the Crimean earth. We are successors of these cultures and civilisations as to us has had the luck to live on the Crimean earth.
Albert, Simferopol:
Andrey Rostislavovich, good afternoon. Knowing your position on this question would be silly to ask you questions and to receive on them predicted answers…. But nevertheless it would be desirable to know your opinion — the given pastoral and how far Yanukovych is ready to go in the concessions of the Russian Federation will how much long hold on? Or we are on start of full and definitive sale or on the eve of an unprecedented chickie?
Nikiforov Andrey Rostislavovich:
Chickie eve, and chickie, seemingly, has already passed. Those who have come to the country leaders, intend to make profit, of course, at her expense, but for this purpose they need to reanimate this country. All is stolen to us — remember this familiar expression? And so, it characterises a present state of affairs in our state. From here and such pliability in relations from the Russian Federation. And who is still really capable to help? IMF, unless. But it already — as chemotherapy. Probably, concessions of the Russian Federation have already ended, and there can be some time still, and will last, but is not infinite and not in all directions. Yanukovych will be, is compelled to balance. In conditions when Ukraine is not especially interesting to States, it is necessary to balance between the Russian Federation and EU. Now it is visible, as «the Prorussian» steps of the new power it is quiet, and even are benevolently perceived in the West. It — too game in which Ukraine follows a change. But everything, with giblets, its Russian Federations will not hand over. If Yanukovych comes nearer to this dangerous line, to it something essential will offer from the West or somehow sharply will straighten out — therefrom. While, apparently, it has not come nearer to this line yet…
Оlya, Simferopol:
Describe the person who could become the ideal president of Ukraine. Whether he was born in general?
Nikiforov Andrey Rostislavovich:
The ideal president for the concrete-real state Ukraine — Victor Fedorovich Yanukovych as citizens of Ukraine have chosen him. For all years of the Ukrainian independence Kuchma was the most successful while, in my opinion. And about that, was born or not — I think that all presidents of independent Ukraine already were born. If it is necessary to describe the ideal head of the ideal state it will be not the president, and the hereditary «educated» monarch who inherits the state as we — business and property of the parents. Than badly? Present level of his responsibility: to accept the country from the father and to pass her son. Compare to a level of responsibility of those who comes to power for 4-8-10 years…
Valery, Yalta:
You are known for the natsional-liberal views. What do you think of a holiday of the 1ST of May?
Nikiforov Andrey Rostislavovich:
Strange, maybe, we differently understand natsional-liberal views? Though…, Basically, I the Russian nationalist also highly appreciate freedom, so — perhaps, yes, the natsional-liberal. Of the 1st of May I take a positive view, as to any other national holiday. And here to modern «communists» — with irony. And how them to concern, tell? They plainly do not know anything about the theory of communism, in communistic building for a long time are not engaged, more and more the individual. A pity show… And let do not try to privatise on May, 1st. The people have nationalised it for a long time already.
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